Unseen Things

[tolteclogic]

And so this is
the way it is
our journey
from birth to death
how are we to learn
if not through
direct experience
the people
who would inhabit
our lives... the choice
is always ours
there are no
minor intersections
where one's life
hangs in the balance

all those many years
and now to end up here?
there were other roads
to choose but we see
in these less agreement
than the people who spend
our time now - the world
is an open ended
possibility... down
the road much less traveled

we see the results
of lives half spent
half lived
misrepresentations
manifestations
of once former selves
all for the choices
we have made...
remain open
and become
fulfilled without
any intention
that it be so

[tolteclogic]

a tribe apart
how open how free
to live in a teepee
love everyone
unconditionally
what are the chances
indeed... free love
sex is power
sacred
great goddess potential
rainbow dancer

where is there a clear
image of this landscape
just imagine that every
partner you encounter
could be your last - no
nothing like a revolving door
you close one and another one
opens - as if to fill a vacuum
two maybe three years apart

it is only later that truth
begins to emerge and you
get to know someone
you were nothing alike
and yet what was it in
your gut feeling
that was screaming
and never do we ever
appear to listen to our
best intuitions and so the
drama unfolds a world apart
three strikes you're out
consumed in and out of love
living in someone else's dream
but then you had forseen
the depths of this
within a dream
drawn into the arena
and you are the prize
playing for keeps
unbeknownst' to you
seven years invested
95' - 2000 & 2
precognition

this is a new chapter
the past few years
have been good
except for a few
unforseen bumps
in the road
how would we ever learn
if we never grow
if we were never tested

the trouble with
promiscuous women
once you see the history
and do the math
thanks for sharing
you get the image
and so one was an
escort you discover
following her divorce
and the other was
a full tilt AC-DC
swinger from a
bygone era
retroactive
60's syndrom
pagan
throw back
to woodstock
rainbow nation
not all things
ritual spiritual
are completely
sacred - powers
and abilities
are little more
than distractions
yet it is a path
most popular...
having been
celibate for
the majority
of my adult life
this was
a crash course
in counter cultures
and dysfunctional
mis-creations
all consuming
misdirected
negativity

love is blind
we are
no innocence
and yet we are...
awakening is
all that matters
a child without
guidence must
discover all alone
in a world cruel
and often unkind
who is better than
the next person
all in a game
of leverage
by our mis-
representations
we are known...
but we have a choice
to alter direction at
any course once
the path is made clear
no hardship or suffering
is any greater than the
illusion of being separate
from anyone else...
at peace with
suchness
as is

[wistfuldragon]

You make me think...though sometimes painful it is always lively and new...thanks for that!
Bravo...

[tolteclogic]

Thank You WistfulD...

this did not go completely as i had
envisioned - observations along
the way as we stand in judgements
so shall we be judged... there are
no perfect people in a world that
is simple superficial
in spirit
tl

[tolteclogic]

Standing against that flood
the storm of unintended
consequences standing out
like a sore thumb i was to be
judged and found lacking
held in disrepute punctured
debunked belied disproved
refute - held in disrepute
discredit and confute
ignominy obloguy
opprobrium politics as usual
i was not intended to survive
the attacks upon my character
let alone the sub-rosa assassinations
and yet through it all i held my ground
shot down clock-and-dager clandestine
ramifiacations modern day inquisition
the sleeper must never awaken

"And when a man hears the call of his heart and the cry
of is spirit we say that such a one is possessed of a madness
and we cleanse ourselves of him."
Kahlil Gibran

[tolteclogic]

"Wisdom stands on the street corner and calls to us
above the multitude, but we deem her a thing
without worth and dispise them that follow her."
K. Gibran

but what does this mean to be released
from desire and yet to be given everything?
what a long strange journey it's been
all those paintings by Hieronymus Bosch
are the dream images you have seen
standing both feet in two worlds...
ultimately the darkness would seem to win
yet we are no mere creatures of lust
pronographic society imprinted upon
this earth pagans with powers built
upon sexual fixations illuminations
of western magic up the tree of life
no one seems to notice the dark side
of the goddess that devours all upon
its path where sexual excess would
spawn a whole nation upon a lie
breaking the shackles of conditioned
mind only to fall prey to one's own
lust for powers... where is there balance
when in the book of life the pages
have been over written in ritual
sacrafice of natural innocence

[tolteclogic]

so many good and strong traditions
captured and twisted where
indigenous wisdom can no longer
be spoken outside the influence
of sorcery and magick... there
is a softer more supple middle way
balance between strength and flexibility
not so fixated on the elemental
manipulations of mundanity

[tolteclogic]

"What is the this root of the aggregate of mundanity? It is
the discriminating spirit of the human mentality. The discrimi-
nating spirit is the seed of endless routine, the root and stem
of personal history; its authority is very great, its roots are
very deep. At the time of 'meeting', it is the first bit of mundanity
to arise, and at the time of 'parting' it is the last bit of mundanity to leave. It is that which gives birth to people, and it is that which
kills people. People are very attached to it, it is not easily gotten
rid of."

"The way to get rid of the discrimination spirit of the human
mentality is to be firm yet capable of harmony, to be strong but
flexible, neither forgetful nor insistent, waiting for it to lose
support and wane in power, so that it can be removed by
detachment. Extirpating the root of misfortune, bringing forth
the original state before personal history, round and bright,
clean and naked, bare and untrammeled, unborn and undying,
something indestructible and incorruptible."

~*~*~*~

"The path of the I Ching is the Tao of balance of the earthly and
the celestial. "


"Innate knowledge is rooted in heaven, and belongs to the order
of life; innate capacity is rooted in earth, and belongs to nature.
People are endowed with the ready and simple qualities of
heaven and earth; knowledge and capacity are both innate, firm-
ness and flexibility are both included, nature and life reside in
one body."

"Subsequently, upon mixture with temporal conditioning, innate knowledge turns into artificial knowledge, innate capacity turns
into artificial capacity; the earthly and the celestial out of
harmony, firmness and flexibility are out of balance, so nature
becomes deranged and life is destabilized, losing the natural
endowment of simplicity and readiness of heaven and earth,
lossing the innate goodness of knowledge and capacity."

The Taoist I Ching


"The difference between humans and beast is very slight;
inferior people lose it, superior people keep it."

Mencius

[wistfuldragon]

Cleveland...

When love finds faith
faith finds us...

The terms we use
for such in those times...

Remains unchanged
over the thousand years...

Magic...

It is the connection
from one soul to the other...

It is the breath exhaled
the knowledge inhaled...

We are the body
of belief in all things unseen...

Temples...

Of stone and steel
or at the base of an age old tree...

Where we pray
sending love on imagined wings...

Are the places of acceptance
of hearts, minds, souls open to the greatest powers...




Love this thread friend...be well and blessed through all your days and nights kept warm...

[tolteclogic]

Thank You so much
for the insightful
reply, your words
have touched
the very heart
of being...
i apologize
for the
delay
in my
response
so many threads
so little time...
in spirit
i remember thinking
how i really wanted
to take my time when
i read your reply but
somehow loosing track
of that momentum
here at the edge
of all this adventure

[tolteclogic]

a precious pearl hangs in space
round and bright
illuminating everything
delight in benevolence
justice and the qualities
of the Tao... joyful
at the beginning
completion is always
beneficial with correctness
unhindered in adversity or ease
entering from striving
into nonstriving
perfecting essence and life

the false distorts the real
faithfulness in the center
the aberrant adulters the correct
harmonize yin and yang
benificial to cross great rivers

[anirbas]

When love finds faith
faith finds us...

The terms we use
for such in those times...

Remains unchanged
over the thousand years...

Magic...

It is the connection
from one soul to the other...

It is the breath exhaled
the knowledge inhaled...

We are the body
of belief in all things unseen...

Temples...

Of stone and steel
or at the base of an age old tree...

Where we pray
sending love on imagined wings...

Are the places of acceptance
of hearts, minds, souls open to the greatest powers...

~Wistfuldragon.

~*~

imho...this piece should be titled and given a thread of it's own to stand in, Mishers...just ran across it playing catch up in Cleve's thread...it filled my soul with beauty and peace...haven't seen you around much these days...figure you're busying with moving and such...

didn't mean to ignore you, Cleveland...you know how it is, when gals start yakking...ggglgggl...I enjoyed your last offering as well.
thanks for sharing, as always. Sabrina. ;D

[tolteclogic]

Yes I agree Sabrina
it is a beautiful
poem Mish has written
wish i had discovered
my oversight much
sooner... in response

In an imperfect world
to shine is to be
out of place...
so where is it we
would belong?
mind over emotion
change adaptively
to circumstance
put into pratice
spiritual virtues
working on the
fundamental
the basis is firm
crossing great rivers
beneficially
resting in
the highest good
merging with the Tao
in reality
nuturing virtue
with richness and warmth
work in the midst of
great danger and difficulty

[anirbas]

"In an imperfect world
to shine is to be
out of place..."

I know that's right, Cleveland...and that it's right to be "nurturing virtue with richness and warmth", much as one tries to nurture creativity and confidence in another human being...
Glad to have you here and thanks for sharing! Sabrina.

[tolteclogic]

Thank You Sabrina,

Been wroking pretty hard in the hot summer heat
running late now as usual...


act without doing
work without effort
there is a fine
line between the
mind of Tao and
the human mentality


Upon culmination
of the celestial
the mundane
arrises insidiously
in unexpected ways
the weak meeting
the strong
at the beginnng
of strength
like a hidden dragon
the text says
Do not use it...
but rather this
is the time
to nurture
sound energy

Protect the innocent
and the non-corrupted
being inaccesible
without hidding
near to invulnerability
being stern
without ill will
embracing all of existence
in the midest of the mundane
yet transcending the mundane

"Yet as their self-discipline and conduct are beyond
the ordinary, and because they are conscientious,
lesser people avoid them even though they themselves
do not try to avoid lesser people."

"False followers of Taoism in the world who are small
minded and intollerant and get irritated and angry at
every encounter and confrontation are naturally disliked
and avoided by petty people, but they are
never free of obstacles."

"Through understanding and prudence, falsehood is done
away with and truth is kept; then one can stop striving
and take to nonstriving."

"If you do not know to stop at sufficiency, by keep on
fussing, you will again call on delusion where there is
no delusion, and produce mental illness. How then can
you attain the state where one comprehension applies to
everything?"

"Understanding what should be understood, stopping when
one should stop, clarity is not separated from still-ness; one
clarifies the quality of illumination, and
rests in the highest good."

The Taoist I Ching

[anirbas]

you're very welcome, Cleveland...I know what you mean about working hard...
but, at least I'm not out in the full heat of the day...just working hard...
take care and blessed be, Sabrina.

[tolteclogic]

after working all day on this post it was
almost lost elsewhere at the crash
of another site So i am posting it here
most along compatible lines...


i suppose the point is
we always have the
power to choose...
going within in what
may seem like utter aloneness
most people can not tollerate
being content alone with
themeselves, but the master
makes use of it; within the
oneness of all things who
is ever truly alone?
We are, as one popular
self development guru
might point out,
'spiritual beings living
a human experience' yet
the truth of it is so
profound no effort
of thought can hold
on to it... and so
we turn everything
into an object of
thought caught in
recriminations and
judgements to justify
our own existence
in one form of belief
or another - speaking
the unspoken language
our forgotten tongue
what is the balance
between yin and yang?
if we are open and
receptive... then
we are able to speak
with spirit and through
the I Ching spirit responds

"Ordinary people hate their aloneness
but the master makes use of it
Embracing his aloneness realizing
he is one with the whole universe...

"His constant practice is humility...

"He doesn't glitter like a jewel but
allows himself (or herself) to be
shaped by the Tao as rugged and as
common as a stone...

"Return is the movement of the Tao
yielding is the way of the tao...

"The gentlest thing in the world over
comes the hardest thing in the world...

"True purity seems tranished
true clarity seems obscure...

"all things are born with their
backs to the male facing the female

~*~*~*~

{inadvertantly i may have misquoted
this last line above on some previous
occasssion...}

"true steadfastness seems changable"

Tao Te Ching


there is a time for waiting
and a time for moving ahead
there is a time for exhaustion
toil or difficulty as there
is a time for self-development
and mastery either going into
danger willingly or awaiting the
oppropriate time...

a way out...

"Being weak and helpless, by nature in danger, is
like waiting in blood. Also, when the quality of
yielding is in a position of weakness, in a realm
of darkness, and one is unable to get out on one's
own, it is like being in cave: lucky is the quality
of yielding that keeps to what is right, following
the virtuous because of having no virtue oneself;
then is is possible to get out of the cave, and
ultimately not be injured by negative energy. This
is waiting that is yielding and follows firmness."

use danger to nurture
strength and firmness
return the true yang
that had fallen
into water back
to the palace of heaven
it is then beneficial
to cross great rivers
to enter the lair
looking for the tiger

when one is ignorant
and acts arbitarily
not knowing enough
to honor teachers
and respect companions
this is getting into
an impasss by one's
own doing
only pretending
to have attained the Tao
dispised by up right people
striving for externals
they have no real learning
and loss what is within
exhausting themselves
how can they not but perish?

But for the body of joy
leaving the state of danger
exhaustion comes to an end
even as firmness rests
on weakness having long been
in a state of exhaustion
at an empasse one comes along
gradually being joyful
even in trouble faithful
when exhausted ultimately
being impeccable...
not courting danger
for one's own happiness


"So in the path of advancing the fire, sometimes you
nuture strength, sometimes you leave strength be,
sometimes you balance strength; each has its time. If
you wait for the proper time to act, always in the
appropriate way, strong, cognizant of danger, even
though you 'cross a great river,' it will be
beneficial."

The Taoist I Ching


as humming birds
go hungry in search
of sustenance while
dying of thrist
in this oppresive heat

[anirbas]

love is blind
we are
not innocence
and yet we are...
awakening is
all that matters
a child without
guidence must
discover all alone
in a world cruel
and often unkind
who is better than
the next person
all in a game
of leverage
by our mis-
representations
we are known...
but we have a choice
to alter direction at
any course once
the path is made clear
no hardship or suffering
is any greater than the
illusion of being separate
from anyone else...
at peace with
suchness
as is

~Cleveland aka Tolteclogic.

*just re-reading through this thread, TL...really like this piece...especially this verse:

"by our mis-
representations
we are known..."

made me think of the internet dating scene and the problems
one has using date sites,[as one of my brothers is doing, at the moment] but, also, when meeting any given person, on any given type of forum, netwise...so many people misrepresent themselves, totally...it's a matter, I guess, of weeding through
the bs, or how much bs one chooses to believe any given person is saying about themselves...as frankly, how do you know that what a person is saying about themselves, is true? unless or until one meets someone face to face, how do you know, how much of what one says, or projects about themselves is true?
and how much is mis-representation built from an individual's own arrogance, personal delusion or ego?

good one, Cleve...I enjoyed the re-read. Hope all is well with you. Nir.

[tolteclogic]

Thank you kindly Sabrina,

Seems there has been a shift
in my writing priorities
playing tag on multiple
web sites keeping myself
seriously busy invoking
collaborations intent
on being published
refining streamlining
leaving unseen things
untouched dead in the
dust of hard won experience
spending much more time
creating in my old forum
of self directed souls...
for so long suffering
from neglect
and inattention
untapped resources
funny how things
turn full circle
in spirit
cleveland